I doubt there's an anti here who hasn't encountered this scenario, whether in a debate themselves or observing the commenting pattern of die-hard SNSD fans:
Someone in SNSD has done something wrong, something stupid, or something unflattering. Needless to say, people are not impressed. With so many actions and offenses stacked up against them, the number of folks being turned off by SNSD seems to increase.
And yet, rather than help matters, it seems SNSD fangirls and boys only make them worse. A key to this is a rather ugly habit they have:
Pointing out bad things about other artists, true or false, in order to make SNSD look good by comparison
It's the verbal equivalent of taking a plain-looking, slightly plump girl and sticking her next to a very obese, very unattractive looking woman: Standing next to someone so visually odious, the plain plump girl will look very lovely in comparison.
It's also the WRONG way to win an argument.
Honestly, what can it possibly say about the subject when even their own fans seem practically incapable of coming up with good strong qualities about their idols? What does it say when it's far easier for them to rag on other groups and artists than come up with a defense that does not require dragging another artist's name through the mud (and even when that artist had nothing to do with the original argument)?
It says to a logical person that there ARE no redeeming qualities.
A reasonable person would say in the face of criticism, "Yes, SNSD has done bad things, yes they shouldn't repeat those mistakes, but here are some good things that SNSD has done!" And then they'd LIST those good things. They'd quote instances of good behavior, show videos of SNSD being genuine caring people, and try very hard to point out their redeeming qualities.
A reasonable person would not:
+ State that SNSD "is human" and act like that alone excuses bad behavior. WE ARE ALL HUMAN, capable of doing good and bad, and if someone does give into their lesser nature, even as others strive not to, the humanity excuse falls flat.
+ State that others have done worse, because the actions or inactions of others does not excuse or justify our own short comings and what we are capable of.
+ List examples of the bad things that others have done, expecting for the wrongdoings of SNSD members to be excused. This is an unreasonable expectation. No sane person believes that the bad actions of one person gets another person off the hook. Otherwise it would be a standard defense for lawyers everywhere.
+ A reasonable person would look for the good in the person they are defending, rather than the bad in others in order to make the person being defended look good by comparison
So this burning question remains: Why...why do Sones find it easier to treat SNSD like that plump plain girl and try desperately to find a really fat ugly lady to put her next to?
The only conclusions I can draw is that (1) SNSD lacks any redeeming qualities, and their fans are actually aware of this or (2) They have attracted a shallow fan base incapable of liking them for any reason which possesses depth or feeling.
Protecting the fantasy....
In order to effectively "worship" an idol, a fangirl often builds up a person to be more than what they are. They are ideal, they are beautiful, they are virtually incapable of wrong-doing.
So then, what does a fangirl do when, for example, they encounter video footage that makes that idol seem less than perfect? Rather than except the possibility of "less-than-perfect", they try and get anything deleted that will make that idol look bad. The same goes with written out facts. Fangirls would rather drag any and everyone's name through the mud than accept that their idols have done something wrong.
So then, are they really going through this trouble to protect their idol? I don't think so. What I believe is being protected is the fantasy.
If a fangirl were forced to accept wrongdoing, and that their idol was less than perfect, they would have to abandon their fantasy, and couldn't see that idol in the same way.
And so it is with Sones. I believe that deep down these people, these most rabid fangirls and fanboys, know that if they were forced to abandon their fantasies about their idols, they could not be fans anymore. Because it tends to be all or nothing with this group. It's unfortunate, but they don't realize that the world really isn't so black and white, and that it is possible to remain a fan of someone without succumbing to an ideology that rejects reality in order to protect fantasy.
Ironically, if these people were more gray-minded, willing to acknowledge the bad behavior of their idols rather than always making up excuses, blaming others, or dragging down other artists, it would bode far better for the people they idolize. But then, when all is well inside one's bubble, does it matter what goes on outside?
The Shallow and the Not-So-Deep
"Birds of a feather flock together".
Meaning that like-minded people are drawn to one another.
So then, let us examine the attitudes of SNSD when on display:
- Self-centered
- Rude
- Idiotic
- Disrespectful
- Trouble-making
Is it really so remarkable that many of these attitudes and qualities can be attributed to the SNSD fan club as well? With instances of rude violent behavior, moronic views of Korean culture, and disrespectful behavior in regards to other artists and their fans?
Not really.
Not mention the attitudes when attempting to address SNSD's good qualities. Notice it almost always (if not always) comes back to the physical.
"Yuri is so pretty!"
"Tiffany looks adorable!"
"Taeyeon is gorgeous!"
And notice the accusations of jealousy always seem to deal with the physical as well:
"They're just jealous because they're ugly and SNSD is pretty."
Isn't it fascinating that this group of people literally cannot grasp the existence of reasoning capabilities that do not rely on physical attractiveness?
Even SNSD, with all the plastic surgery and focus on their image, seem to rely on physical appearance much more than their artistic talents. Yes, some members can sing, and some members can dance, but I have yet to see their abilities at the forefront of why their fans are drawn to them.
So then, could it be that the reason that Sones are so handicapped in a debate concerning their idols is because they themselves lack appreciation for anything other than the physical? Because it's quite possible that if SNSD were less pretty, even if they were more talented, these people would not be fans?
How about yes to both?
I believe both these instances to be the case in regards to SNSD fangirls and fanboys and their inability to build up SNSD without making references to the physical and without having to bring down others.
It also says volumes about SNSD. If this is the kind of people they attract, shallow persons with poor reasoning capabilities, then imagine what it REALLY says about their group.
And so now, whenever you're confronted with a fangirl or fanboy who seem to be incapable of separating themselves from their fandom fantasies and who cannot think of ways where SNSD is appealing outside of their looks, and who find it much easier to tear down artists unrelated to the discussion than the list one good thing about SNSD, hopefully this insight will save you a headache or two.
Someone in SNSD has done something wrong, something stupid, or something unflattering. Needless to say, people are not impressed. With so many actions and offenses stacked up against them, the number of folks being turned off by SNSD seems to increase.
And yet, rather than help matters, it seems SNSD fangirls and boys only make them worse. A key to this is a rather ugly habit they have:
Pointing out bad things about other artists, true or false, in order to make SNSD look good by comparison
It's the verbal equivalent of taking a plain-looking, slightly plump girl and sticking her next to a very obese, very unattractive looking woman: Standing next to someone so visually odious, the plain plump girl will look very lovely in comparison.
It's also the WRONG way to win an argument.
Honestly, what can it possibly say about the subject when even their own fans seem practically incapable of coming up with good strong qualities about their idols? What does it say when it's far easier for them to rag on other groups and artists than come up with a defense that does not require dragging another artist's name through the mud (and even when that artist had nothing to do with the original argument)?
It says to a logical person that there ARE no redeeming qualities.
A reasonable person would say in the face of criticism, "Yes, SNSD has done bad things, yes they shouldn't repeat those mistakes, but here are some good things that SNSD has done!" And then they'd LIST those good things. They'd quote instances of good behavior, show videos of SNSD being genuine caring people, and try very hard to point out their redeeming qualities.
A reasonable person would not:
+ State that SNSD "is human" and act like that alone excuses bad behavior. WE ARE ALL HUMAN, capable of doing good and bad, and if someone does give into their lesser nature, even as others strive not to, the humanity excuse falls flat.
+ State that others have done worse, because the actions or inactions of others does not excuse or justify our own short comings and what we are capable of.
+ List examples of the bad things that others have done, expecting for the wrongdoings of SNSD members to be excused. This is an unreasonable expectation. No sane person believes that the bad actions of one person gets another person off the hook. Otherwise it would be a standard defense for lawyers everywhere.
+ A reasonable person would look for the good in the person they are defending, rather than the bad in others in order to make the person being defended look good by comparison
So this burning question remains: Why...why do Sones find it easier to treat SNSD like that plump plain girl and try desperately to find a really fat ugly lady to put her next to?
The only conclusions I can draw is that (1) SNSD lacks any redeeming qualities, and their fans are actually aware of this or (2) They have attracted a shallow fan base incapable of liking them for any reason which possesses depth or feeling.
Protecting the fantasy....
In order to effectively "worship" an idol, a fangirl often builds up a person to be more than what they are. They are ideal, they are beautiful, they are virtually incapable of wrong-doing.
So then, what does a fangirl do when, for example, they encounter video footage that makes that idol seem less than perfect? Rather than except the possibility of "less-than-perfect", they try and get anything deleted that will make that idol look bad. The same goes with written out facts. Fangirls would rather drag any and everyone's name through the mud than accept that their idols have done something wrong.
So then, are they really going through this trouble to protect their idol? I don't think so. What I believe is being protected is the fantasy.
If a fangirl were forced to accept wrongdoing, and that their idol was less than perfect, they would have to abandon their fantasy, and couldn't see that idol in the same way.
And so it is with Sones. I believe that deep down these people, these most rabid fangirls and fanboys, know that if they were forced to abandon their fantasies about their idols, they could not be fans anymore. Because it tends to be all or nothing with this group. It's unfortunate, but they don't realize that the world really isn't so black and white, and that it is possible to remain a fan of someone without succumbing to an ideology that rejects reality in order to protect fantasy.
Ironically, if these people were more gray-minded, willing to acknowledge the bad behavior of their idols rather than always making up excuses, blaming others, or dragging down other artists, it would bode far better for the people they idolize. But then, when all is well inside one's bubble, does it matter what goes on outside?
The Shallow and the Not-So-Deep
"Birds of a feather flock together".
Meaning that like-minded people are drawn to one another.
So then, let us examine the attitudes of SNSD when on display:
- Self-centered
- Rude
- Idiotic
- Disrespectful
- Trouble-making
Is it really so remarkable that many of these attitudes and qualities can be attributed to the SNSD fan club as well? With instances of rude violent behavior, moronic views of Korean culture, and disrespectful behavior in regards to other artists and their fans?
Not really.
Not mention the attitudes when attempting to address SNSD's good qualities. Notice it almost always (if not always) comes back to the physical.
"Yuri is so pretty!"
"Tiffany looks adorable!"
"Taeyeon is gorgeous!"
And notice the accusations of jealousy always seem to deal with the physical as well:
"They're just jealous because they're ugly and SNSD is pretty."
Isn't it fascinating that this group of people literally cannot grasp the existence of reasoning capabilities that do not rely on physical attractiveness?
Even SNSD, with all the plastic surgery and focus on their image, seem to rely on physical appearance much more than their artistic talents. Yes, some members can sing, and some members can dance, but I have yet to see their abilities at the forefront of why their fans are drawn to them.
So then, could it be that the reason that Sones are so handicapped in a debate concerning their idols is because they themselves lack appreciation for anything other than the physical? Because it's quite possible that if SNSD were less pretty, even if they were more talented, these people would not be fans?
How about yes to both?
I believe both these instances to be the case in regards to SNSD fangirls and fanboys and their inability to build up SNSD without making references to the physical and without having to bring down others.
It also says volumes about SNSD. If this is the kind of people they attract, shallow persons with poor reasoning capabilities, then imagine what it REALLY says about their group.
And so now, whenever you're confronted with a fangirl or fanboy who seem to be incapable of separating themselves from their fandom fantasies and who cannot think of ways where SNSD is appealing outside of their looks, and who find it much easier to tear down artists unrelated to the discussion than the list one good thing about SNSD, hopefully this insight will save you a headache or two.
sones are only helping us.
anyways.. SNSD plain sucks... there is nothing more to it. And their fans suck as well, since they're so violent and crazy and can't even defend their own idols properly. Tssk..